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January 10, 2012 at 9:42 am #25965
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Hawkes

Are there any Dungeons and Dragons players out there? Any DM’s particularly?

If so, how long have you been playing?
What’s a favourite moment you have from your adventures?

(Do you care about the fanboyish divide between 3.5e and 4e and the subsequent butthurt revolt to pathfinder?)

January 10, 2012 at 10:27 pm #26607
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Alexis

I have only played Dungeons and Dragons once but I really enjoyed it and would like to play again :)

January 11, 2012 at 3:54 pm #27460
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Sean

I’ve been playing D&D for like 6 years now. I have been DM for a couple campaigns. My group uses 3.5e and we haven’t really had a chance to try out 4e. My favourite moment would have probably been when my assassin used Death Strike on a Mind Flayer and one shot him. He continued to keep the head and go around down scaring people with it :P

January 11, 2012 at 4:22 pm #27470
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Alix @liesforneweyes

Me and some friends started playing it when my friend got a box you can just play straight out of. We’ve got quite into it and now we’ve started to make our own characters. We’ve had about 5 sessions I think now.

Since we only started recently, my boyfriend who has been our DM so far has brought the 4th edition stuff so we use that because we don’t know any different :)

January 11, 2012 at 4:36 pm #27478
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Sean

From what I’ve heard about 4e, all they really did was make it easier for newer players to get into the game. 3.5e had tons and tons of rules, feats require other feats, skills have point limits, you can put in carrying limits, stuff like that, but you cant get extremely creative with it. One thing my assassin did was used a grappling hook to grapple onto a gargoyle, climbed up the rope, killed it and before it fell threw the grappling hook to another gargoyle. Or one time I was playing a wizard and we had a ship battle and I decided just to shrink the enemy ship and end the fight before it started. :P

January 11, 2012 at 10:55 pm #27928
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Hawkes

“My group uses 3.5e and we haven’t really had a chance to try out 4e. ”

I don’t blame you – I don’t find 4e really entertaining. It’s sort of like when a good company comes out with a game that you know is made specifically to coddle people through the process of playing.

Did you know they plan to make a 5e soon? I’m scared for the outcome but glad they realized that 4e wasn’t well-received.

January 11, 2012 at 11:38 pm #27984
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Sean

I didn’t know that they where planning on coming out with a 5e. I’m hoping they do a lot more in the next edition for more experienced players. I kinda like what the Pathfinders series did where they released a box that was just the basics for newer players, but at the same time released the DM’s guide, Players Handbook, and Bestiary separately for the more experienced players to pick up and use.

January 14, 2012 at 10:58 pm #31406
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Andrew

yes they are planning to come out with 5e

http://geekout.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/09/wizards-of-the-coasts-announces-new-edition-of-dungeons-and-dragons/

January 15, 2012 at 11:38 am #32432
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Joshua

Been playing D&D for like 10 years on and off, mostly off, now and in the more recent on years we jumped ship to pathfinder. which is basically D&D 3.75e and i love it, i never gave much chance for 4e though…pathfinder was just so newly familiar.

on a side note i have attempted multiple times to DM, cant do it. i love to play too much….no scratch that i love making new characters too much. i spend the majority of my time thinking of a better or at least diferent character as soon as i play a character once, its bad yet oh so good.

January 15, 2012 at 3:02 pm #32480
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Hawkes

Joshua, the need to make new characters helps me be a better DM (constantly creating NPCs I can stash off on the side until I need them). I don’t see why it would hinder DMing.

I understand the love of playing though.We have two different games going (well, one D&D 3.5 with me and my friends, and then one game of Dark Heresy going with another group of friends where I get to be a player).

DMing is kind of stressful when one is in University, but it’s at least a good stressor.

January 16, 2012 at 8:14 pm #33962
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Sean

I really do hope that 5th.e is better then 4th. I also hope that they kinda take a note from the Pathfinder series and add different types of humans. I’m getting tired of there just being humans, dwarves, gnomes, orcs and then like 15 different types of elves.

January 17, 2012 at 3:26 am #34868
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Frawmus

I’ve played twice, but no one around here wants to play with meeeeeeee :(

January 19, 2012 at 5:44 am #36983
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Sean

@Frawmus that really sucks. I’m sorry to hear that :(

January 20, 2012 at 7:53 pm #37753
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Angela

I’ve played a few times at the enders club at my school. Would definitly like to try and start playing again (my old character sucked)

January 25, 2012 at 7:00 am #42116
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Matthew

I’ve played D&D for years and I also have DM’d a good bit too.

January 27, 2012 at 6:29 am #43544
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Jerky Malloy

Never played, but wanted terribly to learn. Does anyone have any recommendations for getting started (beyond going to a tabletop gaming store and putting up a flier or having friends, which both sound intimidating and wrong)?

January 29, 2012 at 8:19 pm #45277
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Zach Worley

i have played for 5 years
i play 3.5
sadly not playing at the moment

i used to play a psion and once i shot a laser through a army will screaming “I’M A FIREIN’ MY LASER”

February 6, 2012 at 9:39 pm #49885
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J.Merrill

I’m a big D&D player — I think I’m going on 11 or 12 years now…(making me feel old).

I’m currently playing a mounted combat fighter/ranger in a low magic/low power 3.5 game, and running a campaign of heavily modified pathfinder (if you’re a big rules/ balance nerd like me you may like it, Check it out).

I think that 4th edition was a mistake. Not because it’s a bad system or unbalanced or it in anyway breaks down. I think it fails because it makes battles even longer, gaming supplements like tokens and boards more essential and focuses on balancing the game around tactical combat instead of promoting a system in which conflicts can be solved through skills and roleplaying. Also because it continues the idea that class=archtype=character.

pathfinder was a bit better in this regard, but honestly they are falling into the same hat with gunslingers and alchemists.

February 7, 2012 at 6:52 am #50309
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Allibeth

I love D&D!

I was introduced to the game about 8 years ago when I went to college. I play version 3.5. I started DMing after only participating in a couple planned campaigns that didn’t get past 1st level. Everyone just wanted to play, so I’ve just DMed. I find it very hard to just play now since I’ve been DMing for so long. Currently I am running two different campaigns. One is a post-apocolyptic game where the party has been thrown into the future, via a time travelling machine. The 2nd game is in the Forgotten Realms campaign setting and I’ve been doing it 99% improv.

I don’t like 4th edition. My friends and I call it “Battle Quest.” I haven’t played it, but it does seem like it is set up like a video game and much more centered on the hack and slash style of play. I find the racial changes very odd and not fitting. And I don’t like that they removed the need for a healer. I love to play a healer whenever I do get the chance to play.

I am considering a YouTube Collab where we play D&D through video. Kind of like Dan Brown’s chess game, except the whole focus of the video would be on the game. Would anyone be interested in that? I would like to find out if there is enough interest in either participating or watching such a thing. Let me know. (c;

February 7, 2012 at 5:13 pm #50374
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@Allibeth how would you play D&D like Dan Brown’s Chess game? Would we run a module just really slowly with stock characters? That seems terribly mechanical and hack n slashy (an adjective which can’t help but conjure images of fanfiction everytime I read or hear it).

February 7, 2012 at 9:19 pm #50455
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Tom

Played a few ‘non-technical’ story-driven type of D&D campaigns, along with a much more technical version. Liked both for different reasons but preferred the technical version as the DM in the story version would just block you with random events of his own creation if you did something he didn’t like, was a bit unfair and made it very restrictive/unenjoyable at times :(

February 8, 2012 at 4:54 am #50817
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@emptus @tomalsoknownastom

I would like to not draw it out as long as Dan Brown’s chess game. I just used that as an example to help get ideas moving. I was thinking, the DM would DM.. and we could either

a) set it up like a collab and have people upload a video response about what they want their character to do, with as much or as little roleplaying as they want. If we did it this way, the videos should be very short and uploaded often. The amount of players would have to be limited of course.

b) set it up more like Dan Brown’s chess game and use the moderator module. I think this would be favorable only if we had enough interest. We would actually need some sort of following for people to leave suggestions and vote on those suggestions.

I see a lot of positives and negatives to both senarios. What do you guys think? When I DM, I like both story and technical playing.. I try to DM a very balanced game, when possible. Combat still seems like it would take forever. Do you have any suggestions on simplifying it?

February 14, 2012 at 10:29 am #54295
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@Allibeth

It would be great if we could set up a forum thread type thing and have a deadline for each ‘turn’ or something (maybe once every 48hours? less? more?), where people have to post what they want to do (and, if they want, could post a youtube link to them saying/acting it out if they want). And occasionally, depending timezones/availabilities/etc. we could do a group chat on skype or something like that for the battles?

Just ideas. What do you think?

February 14, 2012 at 8:38 pm #54527
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J.Merrill

I’m currently running a game where the players all connect remotely via chat and VoIP, but that’s not exactly conducive to youtube-ing.

February 14, 2012 at 10:38 pm #54673
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Allibeth

Tom, these are some really great ideas!

I would really like to keep as much of it as possible in YouTube videos. I have heard of D&D games on forums and skype calls. I have not seem one ran in a collabarative fashion on YouTube. For as many people who still enjoy tabletop gaming, I don’t think there is very much of it on YouTube.

When I run the YouTube D&D campaign through my mind, I see it playing out very well. There is one exception — the combat. I don’t know how that would work without taking way too long. We could run a more story based campaign, or use a forum or skype type of thing for the combat. I just really wanted as much as possible to be on YouTube. I expect people would want to watch such a thing.

Oh, Tom. That is it. Skype. I don’t know anything about it. I’ve never used it, so tell me if this is possible. Could we record a Skype call and then edit and upload it to YouTube? That would work so perfectly.

February 14, 2012 at 10:42 pm #54674
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And I think making a forum thread, group, or something of that nature would be good for any conversation that is Player to Player, and not character to character. It would be great if the players want to make a collective decision on something.

February 14, 2012 at 11:47 pm #54733
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Ok! new awesome idea.

We do combat via skype or something like that. Then we upload a video of the entire combat as if it was a video game.

So we get a game board, and miniatures for each of our characters, and then record the combat as a stop action video with floating combat text and the whole bit. Maybe even with cheesy vector special effects.

Rifting on this idea: what if our videos were transcripts of the sessions with perhaps each player’s recorded video of actions etc being the voice over / over laid over image of the character’s figures on the board.

So the basic video would look like this:

link

The only thing I would worry about would be that the videos would be hard-ish to edit. But on the plus side we wouldn’t have to rely on jump cuts to keep people interested.

February 15, 2012 at 1:00 am #54780
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Allibeth

J.Merrill, were you thinking the people in the 4 corners of the screen are the characters or the players? Just want to be able to better picture it in my mind.

And I think your idea is totally awesome.

I have lots of game boards — they are handmade, but over time we’ve been perfecting them. So, they do look pretty cool now.

I also have a collection of minitures. I have hundreds.

If we got together once a week to do a D&D session over Skype or something like it, we could then record it and edit it. I’m not very experienced at editing, but I do have the time. I have a HD camcorder and some really good software for editing.

February 15, 2012 at 4:33 am #54907
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J.Merrill

the people in the corners are the players. It sounds like you’ve got all the stuff we need to make this a reality…I am SO super excited

February 15, 2012 at 12:54 pm #54974
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Allibeth

Now we just need enough people and to figure out the details.

I have a tripod coming in the mail for my camera, so after that (and learning my editing software) I will be ready to go.

Do you want me to DM or someone else?

It looks like we have three people who are quite interested.
It would be great if we can get two more so we have a balanced party of four.

February 15, 2012 at 2:56 pm #54988
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J.Merrill

I don’t think it would be fair to expect you to do the video capture, the editing and also be the DM. I would be more than willing to do the DMing, just let me know what sort of campaign you guys would like to play and I’ll make it happen.

February 15, 2012 at 5:32 pm #55004
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Allibeth

I’m happy to DM or be a player.

I prefer games that are classic D&D. By that I mean, just a classic fantasy world with magic and such. I like it balanced. Not too goofy, but not too serious either. What about you, @Tomalsoknownastom?

Before we start, I just want to make sure I have the video capture and everything worked out, so that we don’t miss anything. Among my family, I am known as a computer genius. Among nerds — not so much.

This is so exciting! I can’t wait to get it moving. I just want it done with awesome. (c;

February 15, 2012 at 5:46 pm #55008
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Ok, I figured it would be a pretty standard world, and a balanced playstyle.

Now for the sticky question: What ruleset would you guys like to use?

Personally, I prefer pathfinder if only because the system is a bit more flexible and robust than 3.5. Also unlike 4e, you can read the entire pathfinder ruleset online for free without piracy.

Also I think that we should build characters based only on the SRD (the core rulebook (for pathfinder) or Player’s handbook, Dungeon Master’s Guide and Monster Manual for 3.5) so that our characters are recognizably arch-typical and D&D. This would also make following the character’s progression and understanding the game easier for people who may not have played the game before.

Also, IMHO the SRD classes are less subject to rampant power-creep.

February 15, 2012 at 5:56 pm #55009
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J.Merrill

@gaypher If asking people IRL to play seems challenging, you may want to look into Play-By-Post games. I know that both Giantitp.com and paizo.com/paizo/messageboards have vibrant PBP communities. You could also look into their “looking for players” threads to find a IRL game near you.

If that fails, you could go to your local gaming store and ask if they know anyone who plays — contact them and simply ask if you can sit in on one of their games.

And if all else fails, we can always start a game up here on yourpants.

…in fact we might be doing that. I’m sure no one would really mind a new player, though the commitment required to a youtube colab game is pretty serious, so no foul if that’s too much to commit to if you’re not sure you’re gonna like playing anyway.

February 15, 2012 at 8:46 pm #55038
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@emptus

I am a die hard 3.5 player. I love it. I have never played pathfinder, but I would consider it. My preference is 3.5.

What do you mean by power creep?

I’d really like to avoid 4.0. I want people to see the wonderfulness of D&D, and I don’t think 4.0 does that.

I definitely like your reasons for using core classes. I always like using core classes — just never had a good reason other than “the DM says so.”

Anyone have ideas of what class they want to play? And do we need to play the characters in their traditional sense to go along with typical D&D as you described, @emptus.

February 15, 2012 at 9:19 pm #55045
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@theallibeth

Power-creep is the forum term for the tendency to balance classes in new supplements based around the relative utility and power of the most powerful existing class.

For example: when balancing spell casting classes newer 3.5 supplements tend to balance the class around the cleric or the wizard — not around sorcerer who is by pretty much all numerical metrics inferior. As a result the new class (let’s call it…a “war mage” or a “warlock”) tends to be at least as powerful as the cleric (which is numerically the most powerful 3.5 base class) and occasionally is slightly more powerful. Now it’s time to make a new suplement and now I balance my new base class around… the warlock! (who maybe slightly more powerful than the cleric was)… Etc.

This process is repeated similarly with races, feats, and equipment

In the end you end up with “base classes” that far and away outstrip their original counterparts. This is why if you’ve played in the RPGA (where metagaming is king!), you’ll see many more scouts, duelists, ninjas and factotums than you will rogues — more cavaliers than paladins … etc.

In defense of moving to pathfinder: They did a very good job of not only further balancing the base classes among themselves — they did an even better job of making each base class distinct in both abilities and flavor. Sorcerers are no longer just wizards who cast fewer spells more often — they are scions of powerful bloodline powers, while wizards are guardians of specialized arcane secrets. The druid isn’t a cleric with a pet and a gimped spell list; the ranger isn’t a poorly thought out fighter with more skill points, he’s a master of terrain, pyschology and tactics… the list goes on.

In short, each class is more essentially arch-typical and special — also most classes are better balanced relatively (though admittedly some are still laughably underpowered [I'm looking at you monk. You're still worse than a fighter well-built in every regard.] ).

Oh and cleric’s turn undead no longer requires feats to be worth something. That’s good.

February 15, 2012 at 10:28 pm #55070
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My friend has the pathfinder game, so I will go look into it and play a bit. It does sound interesting.

I usually don’t jump into something when she suggests, since her most recent interest is Mousegaurd? .. she describes it as D&D with mice and no magic… lol. She is a very comical person and I’m just like, “Let’s just play regular D&D.”

February 16, 2012 at 12:55 pm #55392
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Alix @liesforneweyes

Do you have too many people, or could I get involved in this?

February 16, 2012 at 1:39 pm #55396
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@liesforneweyes We totally have room. As far as I know we do need 2 more people. Just make sure you are ready and willing to commit to it. We’d love to have you. (c;

February 18, 2012 at 11:56 pm #56354
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Emma R

I play! I’ve never met another girl that is into D and D so this is comforting :)
We have a group of about five or six from school that play when we get the chance. I love my Eladrin druid so much.

February 20, 2012 at 10:28 pm #57139
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Alix @liesforneweyes

Totally ready to commit, but first what would I be commiting too, what would I need to do?

February 20, 2012 at 11:40 pm #57191
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J.Merrill

We haven’t completely figured out the logistics of the game yet but it seems like you would need be willing to upload / send @theallibeth video of you playing the game (honestly I think if we could work out a way of recording the session as a multi-user skype chat that would be best). Also, you would have to make a character (obviously) and likely buy and paint and ship to allibeth a miniature (although I suppose if she’s really got hundreds, we could just pick some of the ones she already has)

Since it looks like I’ll be DMing the game — I’ll probably run it through Obsidian Portal (which if you haven’t seen it and you like table-tops you really owe it to yourself to check it out). So you’ll eventually need to make a profile there.

Also consensus so far seems to be a standard-ish fantasy world with a balanced 4 person party and a balanced focus on both roleplaying and combat/ dice rolling. So plan your character accordingly. Oh and try to make a character you think will be interesting for other people to watch as well as fun for you to play.

Oh and I guess it has kinda been assumed thus far, but I’ll go ahead and make it explicit: Since we are trying to capture the “heroic experience” of playing D&D, I think we should play characters in the Good and Neutral range of the alignment spectrum. That being said — if you’re dead set on playing an evil character, I’m not going to forbid it but set your evil expectations a bit low (think Belkar Bitterleaf from OOTS).

So I suppose in that regard we could start picking / assigning party roles.

I know Allibeth is going to want to play the Healer / Cleric.

As I see it a party typically has the following roles:

Tank/ Melee damage dealer

Arcanist (utility, crowd control, direct damage)

Skill Monkey (Rouge, ninja, bard etc)

Healer

Obviously there’s a lot of overlap and there are plenty of classes and builds which can fulfill multiple roles: (A dwarven cleric with the protection and strength domain makes a good tank as well as a healer; a properly geared and prepared wizard is capable of dealing with traps as well as rogue; a ranger is equally capable as a melee fighter, a ranged striker or as a skill character depending on specializations etc.) All that said though — we should strive to have a balanced party.

February 21, 2012 at 12:56 am #57232
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Allibeth

If we are still needing a final person, someone from real life here volunteered. Her name is Sami and she is a fanatic. She’d be reliable. (c;

I also just introduced her to the world of nerdfighting and she seemed very happy with it.

February 21, 2012 at 1:38 am #57247
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Allibeth

@therary The group I play in is mostly girls. When I started, there were a lot of guys. Now – not so much.

In my IRL games I’ve been trying to recruit some more boys. Can you believe it? I finally found a couple. Hopefully they will show up. (c;

February 21, 2012 at 1:46 am #57250
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@liesforneweyes @emptus

I do have tons of miniatures. Once we figure out our characters I will show you what I have that would resemble them best. I have dwarves, short people, elvs, etc. as far as player races are considered.

In addition to the players, I have an oversized tackle box full of minitures, plus a few cardboard boxes, since they didn’t all fit. (c;

February 21, 2012 at 1:50 am #57253
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One more thing, I was thinking that when we figure out the land we are playing and what characters we are playing, how would you guys feel about giving a little bit of backstory of the characters for the first video? I think that would be really neat to include. It could be really basic, but I think it would be nice to “introduce” the characters.

@Tomalsoknownastom, @emptus, @liesforneweyes

February 21, 2012 at 3:32 pm #57425
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J.Merrill

@theallibeth, @tomalsoknownastom @liesforneweyes

Alright, counting Sami, we now have 4 players and a DM, so we’re ready to start building characters and working out the logistics.

To that end, I’ll be making a campaign page and wiki on http://www.obsidianportal.com — so I’ll need your email (or your obsidian portal username if you have one) to invite you to the new campaign page. Send me a message here with it (or post it I guess, but I never like posting my email up like that) so I can send out the invites soon.

Once we’re on OP we can start using the forum there to work out specific logistics and “behind the scenes” stuff. Or I guess we could make a new thread here; which ever one you guys want to do.

I should be setting up the campaign page, a basic world-creation story and a world map sometime tonight or tomorrow.

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February 21, 2012 at 5:44 pm #57441
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Allibeth

@emptus @tomalsoknownastom @liesforneweyes

We need to name our project. Any ideas?

The name should be used for the portal page and YouTube channel. Since we could possibly use the YouTube channel for another campaign or something else down the road, I don’t think it should be too specific.

February 22, 2012 at 6:06 pm #57797
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Alix @liesforneweyes

Are we doing it over skype? I’m not quite sure what obsidianportal is, can you explain it to me at some point? And maybe explain the logistics of how it will work.

Have we worked out where everyones from and if there will be time differences?

February 22, 2012 at 7:13 pm #57813
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J.Merrill

We haven’t hammered down the exact logistics of the video production, but it looks like skype will be our go to since it allows for multi-person video chat and video recording capacities.

Obsidian Portal is a online campaign management site that helps users build campaigns and keep them organized. It comes with a campaign wiki (for all that world lore and setting stuff), an adventure log (which we can use to post links to the video as well as commentary on the sessions), campaign forums, editable campaign maps using google map technology, a campaign calendar, and internal linking and character sheet hosting. Basically it makes running a campaign and keeping up with all the NPC’s and towns easier — this way we will have a site where viewers can read up on our characters and the campaign setting, the deities, background etc. and we don’t have to worry about sharing campaign notes.

Also as a manner of update: I have so far built a pretty vibrant cosmological creation story for our world, a full pantheon of gods and should start making a basic world map and nations fairly soon. Let me know if there’s anything in particular you want to see in the world (like halfling velociraptors or dwarven pirates) and I’ll see what I can do to make it happen.

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